[Event "Challenge from pawnstorm"]
[Site "SchemingMind.com"]
[Date "2010.07.29"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Euchesski"]
[Black "pawnstorm"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00f"]
[WhiteCountry "ENG"]
[BlackCountry "ENG"]
[WhiteElo "2039"]
[WhiteRD "98"]
[BlackElo "1598"]
[BlackRD "99"]
[GameID "255854"]

1. a3
{
Euchesski: No more losing in 10 or 15 moves Nathanael, you are graded 20 points above me OTB so that should not happen .... Should it!!?
}
1... e5
{
pawnstorm: no, but i play better otb the board because it's a proper board and i have real motivation to win i.e because of the league and other competitive chess matches that i play. that may sound bad to you but when i have no real cause to win i just like having fun. the attitude is quite like andy's i believe. anyway i will try to have a good game and i saw on this site we have played 8 times and you have won 7 and i won the other which was our 1st match on here! how was chess last night by the way?
}
{
pawnstorm: also i was shocked that you were graded below marvin, gary, john and nearly alan pickles! i think your much better than your grade suggests particularly because you played so well at the end of the season. but i do think it was funny how most of us in coddon including john thought that he would shoot down to 120 or below, which come to think about it was ridiculous because he may not have won a game but he drew many and those he lost to i think had their grades increased. for example his amazing draw against richard gillispie would have done his grade alot of good because he is 145 this season. it's a shame gillespie isn't playing this season though because of college commitments because he has a lot of potencial.
}
{
Euchesski: Yes i had calculated my grade at 130 minimum they gave me 126 in the league i drew 8 games lost 2 and won 1 and at blackpool had 2points at wrekin 2.5 and staffs congress 3points so as you say never played that bad admitantly i never won many games and that seems the only downside to the season?! however there is the revised grading list coming out in August and ones grade can go up or down surely they cannot give me a lower grade than 126? have to wait and see!
}
2. h3
{
Euchesski: John and Andy where the only ones at the club so just the three of us there!? i played John Once, and Andy Twice good night for me for a change i won all 3 games!
}
2... d5
{
pawnstorm: well done, that's a very good result! 
}
{
Euchesski: this is Brothertons pet opening, not much printed theory which is why Trevor probably plays it, he tends to think if he can get you out of book and on a one to one basis he will win easily, its not as stupid an opening as it looks in this situation if faced always go back to basics ie., Knights before Bishops, castle within first 12 moves develope sensible and you will be ok! never get flustered stick to basics if you do not know whats happening!!?
}
3. c4
{
pawnstorm: i know what's happening alright, don't worry about me getting worried. nick told me about trevor playing this against him and he said the 1st time trevor played it against him he got confused a bit so it ended up as a draw but the 2nd time trevor played it he got completely stuffed. but that doesn't mean i'll stuff you obviously because i'm not nick rutter haha!
}
3... Nf6 4. e3 Be6 5. cxd5
{
Euchesski: This as ended up a sicillian Def with colours reversed interesting!?
}
5... Nxd5
{
pawnstorm: this isn't for me because i don't play the sicilian this way, but yes it is interesting.
}
{
Euchesski: I do not play the sicillian myself i used to play the Kann system 15 years ago but converted to the french but its not my game either so we shall see who is less familiar with the middle game hee,hee!!?
}
6. Nf3 Bd6
{
pawnstorm: yes it should be fun!
}
7. Qc2 Nc6
{
Euchesski: I see gary as got our website running he as sent everyone a mail, it is a bit on the basic side but considering its his first effort some praise is needed! Please can you e-mail me yours and your dads history chess wise i mentioned this sometime back, just need the year  you and your dad started playing for the club and any success stories you may have!?
}
8. Bc4
{
pawnstorm: i like the website and the club history is excellent, well done eugene!
}
8... Qd7
{
Euchesski: You would have laughed if you had been sitting next to me in the Princess Royal Hospital, A Paki two seats up had his mobile phone go off, when it sounded for the third time i shouted in a real load voice ... "OBVIOUSLY THE SIGN IS NOT BIG ENOUGH ASKING PEOPLE TO TURN OFF THERE PHONES!!?" i got this dirty look as he walked out hee,hee take me anywhere!!?
}
9. d3
{
Euchesski: surely Nathanael you are not going to castle queenside in this position, not even i could be that brave?!!
}
9... O-O
{
pawnstorm: dear me eugene, dont call people paki's because they could be from somewhere like india. you should say asian. 
and i had no intention to castle queen side. i was giving protection to my bishop because your threat of e4 would then result in bishops being swapped off and with me with double pawns on the e file.
}
{
pawnstorm: also calling someone a paki is racist in this day and age haha!
}
10. Ng5
{
Euchesski: I stand corrected "PAKISTAN" who was a pain in the Ass, nobody else had the guts to say anything to him! and i would love you to meet my uncle who would tell you something about the pakistans, he was an official at the british embassy when war broke out between  Pakistan and India he would tell you the difference between the Indians and the Pakistans was the indians would burry there dead and the Pakistans just piled there own dead in a heap to rot too lazy to burry there own people. you may say that was war and then i say thats crap, one thing you will learn of me Nathanael is i speak my mind and if i upset someone wont bother me one bit i will still sleep soundly!
}
{
pawnstorm: i definitely know you speak your mind eugene haha!
also it was great to see that new guy at coddon last night, what was his name? also out of interest which county team would you prefer to play in, the U140's or U160's?
}
10... Nd8
{
Euchesski: Nathanael, we will only have the county U140 run by Roger Brown who as given up the U160 at the County AGM they said they planned to scrap the Under 160 Team, unless someone as come forward to run the Under 160 which i doubt. i would not get in the under 160 team anyway now my grade as gone down to "126" yes that new guy is a work mate of Marvin, he used to be graded 140ish but as not played competative chess for 2.5 years but he should be a useful player when he finds his feet!? Gary White took his details
}
11. Nxe6
{
Euchesski: I do not know if you have noticed but out website link as been put on the shropshire website, However i have emailed Keith Tabner and asked in a polite manner if he is taking the piss as he as made our link so Tiny compared to every other clubs i asked him why it is so and though everyone hates coddon chess at least make our link the same size as everyone elses not so tiny you can hardly see it!!?
}
11... fxe6
{
pawnstorm: i would have to disagree with you eugene. when i went on the site it was the first thing i saw because it's in the middle of the screen. at least our link is on the front page. i guess it will be moved eventually to where all the other sites are shown under the "chess clubs" tab. and yes i know the U160 is not happening but it is a shame because there are quite a lot of players graded between 140 and 150(155) that probably wont get a game with a county team at all. it's a shame noone in coddon would be up for taking it over because it seemed a very good occasion when the team had a match. it's a shame if i was older i may have wanted to run it but because i'm 18 i wouldnt be able to do it. well definitely not by myself because i would probably need help from someone, for example like gary or andy.
}
{
Euchesski: I am sorry to say Nathanael you are wrong to disagree with my complaining to keith tabner about our Link because what you are looking at in the centre of the shropshire home page is just an advertisement link from Gary white and as been put on the website as a 30 day introduction after then it will be removed and we will have a link same as all clubs on the (bottom right hand side of the screen), I asked Keith Tabner why Coddon Chess and Church stretton have links not even half the size of everyone elses, Keith says its just how the format as turned out which is crap realy?
}
12. Nd2
{
Euchesski: I cannot see how you think lots of people will not get a game for the county because of scrapping the U160 team, Andy Tunks thought as i did that it will be good for the County Open Side because last year they where having to use realy weak bottom boards there are lots of players like yourself, and others in the high 140s who would love the chance to play in the counties elite and they would welcome this i am sure if you look at who was turning out for them last season!??
}
12... Kh8
{
pawnstorm: oh i see i didnt realise that. but i'm just saying if next season the majority of the best players in shropshire want to play in the open county team, there will be high 140's and 150's that probably won't get a game at all for any county team because there is no U160 team. and about the links on the site i didnt realise you were talking about those links because i didnt even know they were there haha. but still i cant see the problem because if someone is looking at the links to decide which clubs are available, they will see our link and if they don't they have to be blind haha!
}
{
Euchesski: Trust me Nathanael that will not happen, last season the open side had an average of four of its top Ten players missing almost every match.  There were the odd occasion on home matches when they would  but overall this seldom happened which is why they did so poorly!?
}
13. O-O
{
Euchesski: Cannot see much wrong here with whites game looks good!considering the opening?!!
}
13... Nc6
{
pawnstorm: yes i know all the best players will not be available for the open matches but, you have to be optimistic eugene because you never know haha! yes your position was good but i'm not too worried about mine either. it's better having double pawns in the centre than on the a or h files.
}
{
Euchesski: This is true better to have the weakness there!? A way to go yet in this give and a little bit of Knight and Bishop shiftig now before any advantage can be forced through!
}
14. Ne4 Na5 15. Ba2
{
Euchesski: I had expected ...Nce7 i think your last move gives white a very clear advantage now, time will tell of course!!?
}
15... Nf6 16. Ng5 Nc6
{
pawnstorm: i cant believe i did that, i should have played Re8! h6 would have been better to!
}
{
pawnstorm: i looked hard at the position as well haha! oh well at least i'm currently having fun playing my dad at rapidplay! 
}
17. Nxe6
{
Euchesski: its easy to forget about bishops tooked away all lonely!
}
17... Rfe8
{
pawnstorm: yes indeed!
}
{
Euchesski: well you got rid of your weak pawn, who knows may work out no worse?!
}
18. Ng5 Re7 19. Qb3 h6 20. Nf7+
{
Euchesski: i would have banked my months salary on ...Nd8 looking best looks here like you may pick up with care my Bishop and knight for the rook but severn pawns to four looks ok for white!
}
20... Kh7
{
pawnstorm: i'm interested to see what your next move is! also i have good news! graham shepherd will be coming to coddon next week and will be playing for coddon next season. i phoned him and he said he will be able to play for us all season apart from the first match of the season because he's on holiday. and alan pickles said he cant come to the rapidplay because he's on holiday but is looking forward to playing next season as well as the challenge of playing in div 1.
}
{
Euchesski: Thats great news With graham shepherd on Bd2 and gary white on Bd3 you could pick up some points for sure in Div1 if your top three boards can pick up at least 2 points every week who knows!!? With this position i have little realy to think about just need to try and keep things simple not make them complicated, i think you have to play the ....Bc5 - b6 manouver at some point to cut off my queen which should give me some time!
}
21. Qxb7 Rb8
{
pawnstorm: actually i think graham will most likely be playing for the A team because glyn wants him in his team particularly because he's a better player than marvin. on wednesday we are going to discuss who is going in to each team because there will be changes due to graham and marvin's friend (probably) joining the club. we are also going to tell everyone about the warm up match that will happen in early september. probably on the 1st or 8th september which would mean graham will probably not be able to play because of his holiday. but if everyone is free on both weeks we may use both weeks for 2 warm up matches which would give everyone the chance to play as black and white, but that may be nlikely because of people on holiday.
}
22. Qa6
{
Euchesski: Thats Great news though on Graham Shepherd and i totally agree, i have always felt that if you split the team strength down the middle you risk both teams going down, You must pool your best players into the First Team, its too important to risk not ending the season with at least one team in Div1, thats a sure way of losing good players, it sounds cruel pooling your best players in one team but its the right thing to do thats why i agree and feel Graham should be Board 3 for Glyns Team .... as for You thinking Glyn as doubts about Marvin at the end of the day he as ended up with a higher grade than me at 136 compared to my 126? obviously glyn must decide who he wants but i think it should be Marvin on board 4 and then glyn must choose who he wishes on Board5 either Alan Pickles or myself which is a toss up on grade?!!
}
{
pawnstorm: yes it would be a toss up between you and alan! but when i talked to glyn we also discussed having gary in the A team on bd 5 to give the B team a better chance because it would probably mean you'll play on bd 2 for the B team. we discussed this because i'm worried about playing gary on bd 2 because he didnt play well in the league at all, and if he was on bd 2 it might be a forgone conclusion that most games he'll lose convincingly. and if he is in the B team as well as you, you cant play ahead of him because of the new grades.
}
22... Bc5 23. b4
{
Euchesski: oh and you think i could do better on board2?!! bin there mate, besides i think and always have that you should have stayed in the "A" team and got your grade up a bit more, Big,Big difference between Board 1 and Board 3, anyway i see a big problem in the "B" team whoever is in the squad you will have a pool of 8 players and one paticular young man who i would like to see play regular so if i am in the "B" team i may consider dropping out as a reserve A and B, because there would be little scope even on rotation remember you have that new guy who used to be 143 couple years ago if i got a choice i would rather be playing against 140s than 170 plus every week like i said i been there know my place!?
}
{
pawnstorm: yes. but luckily i only have a pool of 7 players to choose from which is much better than 8. also i disagree with you that i should have stayed in the A team because i need as much experience as possible and i will not get that on bd 3. unlike you i prefer to play higher graded players than lower graded players because i don't feel pressurised, i just play normally with no pressure but with excitement because i'm playing against such good players. and also i would like to see peter play but for the 1st match the choice is between him and alan as george is on holiday for the beginning of the season. but myself and dad will have a much better idea when we see how they've both played in the warm up which will probably be peter against john and alan shaw against marvin. so they will both have very sterm tests. but both of them deserve to be on bd 5, and the rapidplay did show me that they are in some sort of form because they both did very well, but then of course you cant really tell because the rapidplay is obviously much different than standadr. but the rapidplay did tell us all that you and monroe are much more suited to standard. the rapidplay also gave me and glyn an idea of what the teams will be, for the cox trophy in the summer and who the best pool of players are for the rapidplay format. 
}
23... Rb6 24. Qc4
{
Euchesski: I think instead of you dicussing me with glyn and glyn not even discussing any changes that could effect me and gary as totally out of order and i will say so to glyn when i phone him.  Someone needs to talk to me and gary since you and glyn are discussing changing what was decided at the AGM.
I will not be told by anyone in the "B" Team that i am being just moved, thats the job of glyn pugh the "A" team captain to ask me what my thoughts are on any proposals he may have that would effect me or gary, (thats not your place.) in which case i may just tell you all to piss off and not play at all because you are starting to wind me up Nathanael especially when i here your comments last night on who i should and should not play in the warm up because you felt i basically talk too much theory well my theory is your the one talking too much ... far too much?!

}
{
pawnstorm: no eugene i never said you were going to be moved to the B team! and those were possibilities about who you may play. and at coddon on wednesday i did not intend to point you out, i was using you as an example because lots of other players in the club may analyse their opponents after the warm up match so they have a better chance in the match. and about you not playing certain players, myself and glyn were just discussing who will probably play in the warm up match because certain people cannot play eachother. so for example i cant play glyn because we are going to play in the actual match and another player like monroe wont be playing marvin because glyn doesnt want him to play his friend. so dont worry about it eugene, youre not being moved out of the A team. you have got the end of the stick. me and glyn were just sharing ideas which is not a crime. and we needed to talk about the teams anyway because of graham and monroe joining coddon which of course caused some changes. i will tell you that graham is going to play for the A team and monroe with the B team. and if you do phone glyn please dont make me sound like the bad guy because i have not done anything wrong!
}
24... Bxb4 25. axb4
{
Euchesski: In all honesty Nathanael you are already gaetting a reputation and i suggest unless you change you will end up on the recieving end, i feel you are not the person i used to know anymore and i have lost a lot of respect i used to have for you?! but i will end this with the following statement from a club member "do not ask his name" and "do not listen" which your good at:-
Nathanael is young and over enthusiastic, far too much at times!!? and comes over cocky and arrogant? sadly i doubt you can change him i think he will probably carry on and end up with a reputation of being the person everyone likes to see get beat!!?
}
25... Nxb4
{
pawnstorm: well eugene i'm sorry if i upset you and i hope we can stay friends at coddon, even though i have seemed to lose your respect. but i would like to perhaps put this behind us and not mention this again. and whoever from coddon said this statement i hope they are not in the B team because i would like the support of the team. and what do you mean by "do not listen"? do you mean that i should ignore the message? and even if you dont think so i do listen, and about this members comments i hope they have concrete evidence for these accusations but even so i respect their opinion. i do agree that i can be enthusiastic which is how many young people are, but i do not believe that I use my enthusiansm negatively. yes i am enthusiastic about chess and having responsibility of being B team captain by giving relevant ideas to each of these topics, for example when myself and other coddon members discuss this coming season which i believe i have the right to do because i need to be prepared for the coming season. i also think many people show cockiness which isnt always that bad but i do not believe that i show cockiness or arrogance often particularly when it comes to chess. yes i may want to play better players like nick, glyn, nigel etc. but that does not mean i think i can beat everyone else. i just want to play the top players because i dont feel pressure when i play them, i feel excitement and honour for playing against such respectable and highly experienced players like david and glyn. and besides i have nothing to lose against them. and i hope many people dont think of me in this way because it may be unjustified but i will say again i respect their opinion because everyone should be allowed their own opinion. but personally i doubt i'll be someone that will have a reputation of being a person everyone likes to see get beat because i believe i'm not a jerk, and it saddens me that someone or some people think this but allas i will get on with it and concentrate on my chess. and i also feel disappointed about your opinion that i may end up on the receiving end of something or other in the future because if i'm being honest i feel i treat all players with respect, i have got on with all chess players that i have met in the league and in congresses, and i never start blowing my trumpet about how good i am a person or a chess  player. also i guess you have phoned glyn then!? i just want to say that i hope you have not blamed him for anything because i have been worried all day that you might because he has certainly done nothing wrong. and i have been worried because your first message that started this debate has made me feel that i have dumped, someone which i have great respect for, in some sort of trouble. also can you tell me now if these feelings towards me are felt by quite a few players in the club because if a few members do feel these feelings towards me, i will leave the club because i would hate to cause agro and bother for other people. and i hope you will still have respect for my dad because he does not deserve your disrespect, but i doubt you do disrespect him because he's too nice a guy.
}
{
pawnstorm: and about my dad, i know you wont disrespect him because he has done nothing wrong against anyone at coddon and i also know you wont disrespect him because your a really nice guy and his friend and i know you will stay friends because you get on very well.
}
26. d4
{
Euchesski: But you do not treat all players with the respesect they deserve!!? there is proof in the pudding for instance in a county match you were four pieces down and played on?? and previously you did the same against Ian wilson in a equally hopelss position hoping for a stupid stalemate i remember such things! so on your so called evidence you show little respect ... "prove me wrong this season!! you can change!!?" and think about what you say and how it can effects other people! had i approached you the other night i suspect i would have ended up with a visit from the police so i walked away ... yes you pissed me off and yes i will put this behind me but i would suggest you think what impact your opinions may have on other people before you give them?! i am still undecided weather to turn up for your warm up match as you indicated i was all mouth and not worth listening to??!
}
{
Euchesski: i do respect your dad always have nothing against chris like him and have nothing personal against you but feel unless you change you will get problems whatever the club you play for?! chess is like life you have to earn your respect or end up with none!!?
}
26... exd4
{
pawnstorm: actually i do not believe i was disrespecting the opponent in that county game because i was irritated about how badly i played so played on and rightfully resigned at the correct point. and i cant remember this ian wilson game. are you referring to the rapidplay match where i mucked up against his english defence?! because if you are i was completely correct to play on because he was down on time and i ended up winning because he m,ade a few mistakes and i won comfortably. but i cannot remember playing him when i was going for stalemate. i think you mean steve rooney. and that was not disrespecting him because i know for a fact that i respect him a lot! and i still cant believe you didnt see what i was doing. and to counter your criticism on this game david everington came up to me and said that he thouroughly enjoyed the match and that i did the best i could do in the situation. and about you saying that i said you were all mouth and not worth listening, i never indicated that. i just used you as an example saying that if you play someone in the warm up match and play them again in the match then you may analyse them a lot so you know how to play them. and i used you as an example because in my mind you are very good when it comes to theory and analysis of chess which in my eyes is a compliment. however i respect your opinion alot because you are one of the members who i have a lot of respect for as a person and a chess individual but i do think that your accusations are not entirely justified. 
}
{
pawnstorm: but moving away from this topic, i think this current game we are playing is very interesting. it looks like it could be a cracker.
}
27. exd4
{
Euchesski: oh right so because i can analyse play its not good i play anyone in the warm up, probably just as well anyway?! besides you probably will not see much of me during the season as i doubt i will play more than 3-4 games as Marvin, Alan pickles will be able to play most games unless they go on holiday so i doubt in that case i will play much for anyone unless they short! not too bothered anyway told John Tunks just fed up at present!!?
}
{
Euchesski: And on this game 23...Bb6 was blacks only possible continuation where you are able to pick up B&N for the Rook 23...Rb6? leading to this position may have looked attractive at first but this is obviously winning for white! 
}
{
pawnstorm: yes i agree with you this position is not good, i've miscalculated. i spent a lot of time on this one as well, oh well. and about the warm up you can play someone just not the player that you would play in the actual match. you were always going to play anyway. if you do play would you mind if you played my dad?
}
27... Nc6
{
pawnstorm: also on the game could i have actaully ever of got your knight and bishop for the rook? i must have missed it. the position seemed to complicated to me haha!
}
28. Be3
{
Euchesski: Yes you could have:-
23...Bb6 24.Bb2 (24.Qc4 ansewered by ...Rf8) 24...Rxf7 25.Bxf7,Qxf7 26.Rfc1,Ne7 27.Bxe5 and i have an exchange and two extra pawns for a Bishop and Knight!
and on the warm up regards playing your dad the ansewer is "yes" but thats dependant on if i turn up of course, if the warm up was today or tomorrow i would say no chance, whether i feel different close to the time cannot say!!? 

}
28... Rb4
{
pawnstorm: yes well i hope you will be at the warm up. and of course it depends who else will turn up. glyn said he ,ight not be able to because of the pre league season meeting about the league fixtures. but he said he'll try and persuade vinny to have the meeting on the tuesday not the wednesday.
}
29. Qd3+ g6 30. Nxh6 Nxd4 31. Rfd1 c5
{
pawnstorm: are you going to coddon on wednesday? because if you are i would like to go through the latvian defence with you by going through my game that i had with david everington. i've been going through it and i think i found a better reply to the opening than the one i actually played.
}
{
Euchesski: Your game with david was unorthodox for both sides, david drifted positionally allowing the spotted piece sac by yourself, i only know one sold line agaist the Latvian:-
1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,f5 3.Nxe5,Qf6 4.Nc4,fxe4 5.d3,d5 6.Ne3,Be6 7.dxe4,dxe4 8.Nc3 but you will rarely meet it anyway. Glyn Pugh knows more about the opening than i because beleave it or not he used it for 3 whole seasons before converting to the french!?
}
32. Bg5 Qd6
{
pawnstorm: yes, glyn did tell me that but i would still like to go through it because i'm sure i could have done something different which i think would have stopped david to gaining control of the centre. but it makes the match very hairy haha!
}
33. Ng4 Nxg4 34. hxg4 Rd7 35. Qh3+
{
pawnstorm: i missed that completely. i was looking at all th options i had and your threates but i did not even think of the queen threat, it's funny when you miss something obvious like that isnt it!? do you want another game? i would challenge you but your challenge i con has faded so i cant challenge you.
}
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